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  Tell me about your radio show.

"My show is called "Let's Relate in Love" it comes on Sunday nights at 10 p.m. on Cleveland Talk Radio 1490 AM. I've done the show for about four years now and love every minute of it. So, if I had to sum up what I talk about I'd say self-empowerment through love. Meaning I talk about spirituality and self-esteem with an emphasis on love."

How did you get started doing the show?

"Well, originally I wanted to do a show for singles and talk about dating and relationships. What I found in doing the show was that just as many married people out there deal with some of the very same issues that I thought were important to just singles. As it turned out, relationship issues are really just personal issues, they are based on how we feel about ourselves. So the show started focusing not so much on outward expression or the ways that we interact with others, but to use the axiom "know thy self." By finding our own truths through inner exploration we get to make conscious choices about who we desire to be how we express ourselves."

You say you talk about spirituality. Would you consider it a Christian show?

"I don't consider it Christian based. I talk about spirituality which is not denominationally exclusive. I refer to the Christian teachings more than say - Buddhism or Islam but it is more so out of familiarity than allegiance. I try to incorporate different teachings and give respect to them all."

What would be the other teachings?

"Well, I like to talk about Mythology. I think that it is important that we understand what our thoughts are based upon, the foundational stuff. I talk about being conscious of the power of your thoughts and words. I talk about fear, sin, and choices. I talk about A Course in Miracles. I talk about life values and philosophy. You name it I've probably at least touched upon it."

I'm going to play the devils advocate now: If you're not a minister what gives you the authority to speak on all this?

"That is one of the ironic things about human beings on this planet today, everyone thinks they have to get permission to do or be who they are. I talk about this too. My being alive with the ability to think, form my own opinions communicate and defend them to others is all I need. We are all ministers the real question is - what's your ministry? What is it that you communicate to the world that's what we need to ask ourselves? I have choose mine, I have a love ministry, and I gave myself permission."

"Credentials were created for and by the insecure. People buy into thinking that they are safer or guaranteed something, that’s laughable! It gives the illusions that education makes people infallible experts. We have unfortunately displaced a lot of good people this way. It most recently happened in the nursing profession. Suddenly women who have been in nursing for 30 years are being displaced because they don't have the "credentials.""

I want to see how you differ from traditional religions on a few subjects. So just give me your thoughts on the following:

Do you believe in sin?

"Believe in it? That is an interesting question. I guess according to commonly held notions I would have to say yes and no. Yes we can fall short of what we desire to be or express. No we are not punished for our sins, we are punished by them."

"Put in proper context sin was originally a term used in sports that meant to miss the mark. To fall short of the desired target. Over the years people have adopted very interesting ideas about that. If you look back historically, the idea of sin does not get the attention it does today. The notion of sin has been turned into a weapon that some of our churches use against the outside world. We use the idea of sin like a sword unfortunately many are unaware that it is a double-edged sword and as you cut and condemn others with it you inevitably cut yourself."

So how about right and wrong, do you believe that there is right and wrong?

"In a sense but it is not arbitrary, the question we each must answer is: "what is right for you or wrong for you according to the desires for your life." I don't have the answers for you or anyone else. It's all written on our hearts, you know when you are doing what is right for you and wrong for you."

Are heaven and hell real according to what you believe?

"Yes, but people have the perception that its a place they go after they die.  Not realizing that you are either in heaven or hell right now according to the life you live or fail to live."

Explain that.

"Heaven is what you experience when you know that you and the Father are One. When you and all life is One because God is One, undivided alpha and omega. Its that knowingness - that what ever is before me is God and it is for my own good. So you really can walk through the valley of the shadows of death and fear no evil because God is not just with you it is you and all else, so there is nothing to fear but fear itself. Hell is the experience resulting from believing we are separate from God, and each other which is impossible. Oh and also belief in death, that's hell too."

So you don't believe in death either?

"I haven't told you that I don't believe in anything yet, just that I believe differently. I believe our bodies die who and what we are can never die."

So why not start a church of your own?

"Churches are like crutches, for its people and the preachers. Fellowship is good but deceptive in nature. It externalizes the work and worship. People have the illusion that outer activity rather than inner activity is what is important, like having your name on the books somewhere is what it is all about. Remember the analogy that if you clean the inside of the cup the outside will be clean too? Get your heart and mind right and you'll do what is desirable. We need to stop wearing religion and membership like a badge of honor and learn what it really means to live righteously."

You seem to be in conflict with most traditional religions.

"Yes you can say that, unfortunately I think that all the masters have said this to us over and over again and we just don't want to listen."

So are you anti-church?

"No, not at all, but I do believe most churches serve themselves rather than the members. It establishes a cycle of dependency, that becomes static rather than dynamic which is how I believe they were suppose to be."

This time I want to back up. You said a few minutes ago that God is not just with you it is you, did you mean that man is God.

"Yes and no, I like to use the analogy like this. Man is to God like a drop is to the ocean. We are taught that God is in man rather than that man is in God. We hear the words everywhere present but then think that we need to give an invitation. God can not not be everywhere. If we would just stop with the idea that God created the heavens and earth separate from itself we could heal and whole the world."

How should we see it?

"That God created life from within itself. God didn't just become flesh and dwell among us, that would make God localizable, limited and perishable. One came that was not afraid to see and say that God is not divided. God is life, get it? God is the stuff and non-stuff."

I am sure some probably see you as sacrilegious or the antichrist.

"Yes, some do and some don't, and there are many reasons and people that not just believe that but need to believe that. One is so they can remain powerless. You see this way of thinking makes man responsible for his own life, which requires more than just having your name on the role at some church. It leaves nobody to blame stuff on like the devil."

So do you believe in the devil?

"Finally there is a definite NO! Let's put it this way if God has all power how much power does the devil have?"

None but. .

"None but the power we give to it by our belief in it. Richard Tinney in the book call "God Chaser" said that there are two types of Christians ones that are running away from the devil and those running towards God. Can you serve both? Most churches give the devil equal airtime in their services. They talk about how powerful the devil is and how it sets out to deceive you. I've even had people call me and say that it has tricked me into believing it is not real. But once we understand that God is total and cannot have an opposite. Once we realize that the created can never compete with the Creator. We laugh in the face of what we once thought of as adversity because we trust that a God that loves us unconditionally uses situations, circumstances and people to mold us and shape us into better people. That's faith."

Don't you think churches teach us that we are responsible?

"I think they tech us lazy religion. They teach you must be born again, that amounts to little more than just taking a dip in the baptismal pool for most churches. They fail in that they have tried to market or package salvation. We all must experience the virgin birth of our higher selves. That means going within alone to find love. So often we fall into the trap of constantly looking out in the world for love and for God. We find that we are love, if we look within. Love is what God is, right? People will tell us that that kind of love is not possible for man but that kind of love is what is required. The divine giving itself as us. To find that we must realize that each of us is a conduit for God and God's love. When we bottle neck that flow of love or close it off that's sin- what results is sickness, aches and pains a feeling of nobodiness. We lack vision purpose and drive. That is hell."

Sounds like this goes back to how you feel about yourself.

"Oh absolutely. Marianne Williamson said something like to see yourself as anything less than wonderful is arrogant. Its like second guessing God's plan - like saying you know better. When you get to a place of love and trust in God you can marvel at the infinite wisdom of being born into that family with those thighs. You get to a place of acceptance. I will even go so far to say, that if you don't love yourself, you don't love God because you don't trust that what God made is good."

So what about atheist who don’t believe in a God?

"I think its funny how we act as if it matters. We don't add to God's stature or power with our belief. We can learn a lot from atheist. We learn that man is not inherently evil and that they don't just do good out of fear of punishment of hell. We learn that we can take responsibility for our actions and thoughts and succeed. A Course In Miracles says something like many conspire with God that have no knowledge of Him. Operating from a place of love is what is important."

So you sound as if you advocate atheism.

"I advocate life. The Buddhist teach that if you see a Buddha on the road kill him. What does that say about idolatry? It's telling us as Jesus did, when he said why call me master? All these things I do you can do also. Jesus' walk, Moses walk, Mohammed's walk, all of the saints lives are about our lives. They are our lessons. We can get down from the cross but in a country that glorifies woundedness, martyrdom and victimhood why should we? It's kind of sick to glorify suffering. But check this out - capitalism prospers from suffering. It keeps the masses squabbling over crumbs. Its keeps the pews full. Hospitals and pharmaceutical companies flourish. The prisons overflow and war is always in the air. People buy cars and clothes because they externalize their worth. I know that's a long answer to a short question but atheist fight against having false gods be they the one in your pockets or the pulpits or the clouds."

You talk about this kind of stuff on you radio show?

"Yep, every Sunday and anywhere else I get to speak."

I saw in you bio that you are a rape survivor.

"I don't know that I mention it like that. I was raped twice and thinking I had it all together started going out talking in front of groups about it. When I started meeting rape victims I realized that they had shared experiences as a result. I decided that I didn't want a rape to define how I lived my life. It would not define how I saw myself, how I dressed, how I related to men - nothing! So I decided to heal. Now while I am an advocate for affirmations I also believe that once you claim something you get the challenge to prove it. So I went to therapy and picked apart every little aspect of my life and how I saw myself as it relates to the world. Today I can say that everything truly happens for the good. I didn't understand then how you can take something so horrendous and make it into a positive. I often think that if I had not had the opportunity to go down that path I may not have made it to where I am as fast as I did."

So you've forgiven the person who raped you?

"He is I, don't you hear what I am saying? I am, you are, one with all life. There is nothing to forgive. There is only one of us here and that is God. God brought me that lesson.  I learned it.  I trust that all things are for my highest good."

So if it happened again what would you do?

"I remember meeting this woman one time who decided that she would witness to me. She started talking about men. She said that when we as women give ourselves to a man we are giving him all we have of value to give. I realized that part of my experience was learning that I am not my body nor am I defined by it. I have a nice one, I love it, but I am so much greater. Jesus said he who seeks to save his life shall loose it. If we think that this life is all we are - meaning this body because that's how most see life, then we are already dead. Honestly, I don't know what I would do. I can tell you that as I see life now I'm not afraid of things such as that because no matter what happens I'm alright."

Do a quick commercial.

"Well let's see, you can listen to me Sunday nights at 10 p.m. on Cleveland Talk Radio 1490 AM, I don't have a set time slot on the cable show but if you visit my website at http://www.the bishopspeaks.com you can find out that information.

Where else do you speak?

"Oh that varies from month to month if you go to the site or call the hotline I update that often."

Do you have books or tapes?

"Oh I am glad you asked. I do have tapes both audio and video tapes. Those you can purchase on-line or you can call the hotline to order. My book is should be out by the end of the summer."

This has been interesting Thank you.

"Thank you!"

 

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  Favorite book?  "That's hard to choose just one.  If you are talking fiction "Jitterbug Perfume" by Tom Robbins is awesome for the message it brings.  If you are talking non-fiction whew!  See my Reading and Links page those are all good.  If you are not much of a reader "I Come as a Brother" gives more bang in fewer words and you feel inspired to read the whole thing and "A Return to Love" is just as powerful but I find guys don't appreciate it as much."